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NEED MORE CONTENT in general (historians wanted). Fill out redlinks (and these, and also these) or work on a stub (list all articles, list all category pages).

Categories are arguably a direct upgrade to articles in that pages can have multiple parent categories, and categories have a nice UI for navigating to subpages. The longer URI is why you shouldn't just use them for everything.

Embrace hypertext—link to other pages (and also other sites, such as [[wikipedia:]] and {{TASVideos}}), but do also follow Wikipedia's linking guidelines: only link first mention, avoid adjacent links, don't over-link common concepts/entities (TASBot, in our case).

Use redirect shorthands wherever you feel they fit, with one exception: tagging pages with a category will not work if you use a redirect.

On that note, when tagging pages for appearances with categories, put the year category first, then the event category if it exists (or will later i.e. a redlink). {{infobox appearance}} handles this for you.

Familiarise yourself with what templates exist: inline/formatting ones, ones for infoboxes and other tables, complete list. Hit up User:YoshiRulz if you want help making new ones.

For consistency (TODO move this to a style guide page):

  • Where an event's name has a short form, the expanded form is the canonical one e.g. Summer Games Done Quick 2016, with e.g. SGDQ 2016 being a redirect to it.
    • For ESA, short names follow this (ESA YYYY through 2017, ESA {Summer,Winter} YYYY from 2018).
    • For Super MAGFest, have both MAGFest YYYY and magFAST YYYY (don't forget DISPLAYTITLE magic word), regardless of whether there was TAS content in both a talk and the marathon, or just one.
    • LI Retro YYYY is the short name for that.
    • BSG Annual YYYY is the short name for that.
    • AGDQ/SGDQ/GDQx and LTX are trivial.
    • May Contain Hackers (Galactic Hacker Party's 2022 incarnation) was special-cased and has been given 2 redirects.
    • No other events need abbreviating at present.
  • Event categories should also be expanded, with redirects in the main namespace only and following the above rules.

TODOs for admins

TODOs

  • finish moving event pages to Category namespace, and cleaning up names
    • GDQ—either move to Category:Awesome Games Done Quick, or keep it as a disambiguation page (moved to Games Done Quick ofc) and create the category page from scratch
      • need someone to make the call here; should there be a page for GDQ as a whole, or not? --yoshi
    • MAGFest is all cleaned up and ready for new articles
    • ...then clean up {{prevnext appearance}} data
      • could copy the start date from the infoboxen to comments in the data
  • infobox for individuals
    • Done, but it doesn't render correctly close enough now thanks to TheMas
    • consider adding fields for country/flag and for pronouns
      • Copied over a template from Wikipedia, and while it currently only works for users of this wiki, I have an idea for extending it if that ends up being necessary. In the meantime I suggest not making dummy accounts for people. --yoshi
    • could add email, but I'd like to have it deobfuscate on click (with JS) if it's going to be included, and with a personal site field it's kind of redundant --yoshi
    • consider adding field for (programming) languages spoken
      • for natural languages, there's mw:Extension:Babel, and it may be possible to hack in programming languages as qxx or something --yoshi
  • consider redirecting (not sure how when #REDIRECT only allows local links) e.g. desync to TASVideos.org/Glossary#Desync
    • - introduces chance for link-rot
      • + can leave notes for TASVideos editors
    • - not everyone can add to that glossary
      • + yet
    • counter-proposal: could instead make a {{TASVideosGloss}} and use {{TASVideosGloss|term}} instead of [[term]]
      • + easy on a technical level
      • - no way to see valid link targets without visiting TASVideos
      • - same problems as above re: "delegating" content to TASVideos
  • it seems reference lists e.g. Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:TASVideos don't differentiate between direct and transitive transclusions (that is, where the template is used as itself vs. where it's only used via another template)
  • I believe MediaWiki:Noarticletext is used for 404 pages and it needs the TASBot spinning eye GIF --yoshi
  • why are category pages wider than articles (in Citizen at least)?
  • use shorthand redirects in {{prevnext appearance}}, like {{prevnext of type}} does already?
    • would help with float-right text being left-aligned in practice due to a line break (why), as you can see on ESA Summer 2019 (that was from {{prevnext of type}} which is now using shorthand)
      • found that removing the inner {{float right}} and making the outer {{float right}} dir="rtl" will work around this... but that feels like a bad idea --yoshi
  • speaking of, need to suppress {{prevnext of type}} in {{infobox appearance}} when it matches {{prevnext appearance}}
    • added skip-series param, though that of course needs to be added manually... and I'm now realising it would be easier to simply blank the relevant entries in {{prevnext of type}} --yoshi

Qs for dwango:

  • I take it the focus here is on history, so how much technical information should be here vs on TASVideos?
    • tl;dr: we should put [technical info] on TASVideos. However, I have one pause here; there is a huge barrier to entry for TASVideos [wiki] at this time [...]
    • In essence, we should first and foremost ensure things like replay device and console verification documentation is complete (enough) on the TASVideos wiki. As CompuCat pointed out however, our needs and perspective is a bit different, and there's no harm in us also having technical details on the TASBot wiki with a perspective more geared toward live presentations at charity events. In fact, that's where I see the TASBot community as differentiated from the TASVideos side when it comes to on-hardware work; the TASBot community is centered around having our cute robot mascot play video games during public presentations, and our needs are going to involve things like proper presentation with visualization on camera that aren't relevant for just seeing if something syncs on hardware. To that end, I think there's room to have the core concepts explained from the different perspectives even if some of it may end up overlapping documentation on the TASVideos side. More documentation (so long as it isn't wholly inaccurate) is always better. There's another caveat here - despite my best efforts, it's still a lot harder for folks to edit wiki entries on TASVideos whereas anyone willing to share an email address is able to edit the TASBot Wiki
  • apart from Ambassadors, how should individuals be categorised?
    • DWYW
      • pages can be in multiple categories, so I guess could just have one cat per role/specialty?
    • to that end, a definition of "notability" for inclusion here would be helpful
      • anyone who was credited for any event/showcase
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